Thursday 10th February 2005 at 3:45 pm (UTC)
Actually, if you want convincing, you'd be better off using the permalink
for the entry as the one pleaseremove
gave only works for as long as that post is on the first page of his journal. In any case, it was taken from this
post of mine, which is a repost (with permission) of an e-mail a friend sent me.
Thursday 10th February 2005 at 3:56 pm (UTC)
you have no need to assume anything, your talking to me via an IM client now! typical, he writes a comment with me in mind, but addresses it to the public like he is somehow not a part of this "heated debate". For anyone who cares, I am quite new to LJ and had never linked to an LJ before, so it was a new experience. I feel i have learned a valuable lesson from it....use the link function! oh well, i shall remember for next time! to be quite honest, I think it is quite pathetic that boggyb (aka Thomas) wont remove his reply to my comment, and hence remove all trace of it, its not like i took it back, its just a better way of doing the link was brought to my attention. What has the world come to when people feel the need to jump down your throat when you make one small, non life threatening mistake
Thursday 10th February 2005 at 4:26 pm (UTC)
(I'll at least preserve your anonymonity for you), can I point out that at no point in this IM conversation (and I have the full convo in my client visible as I'm typing this) did you actually say why you deleted your comment. Others would have just posted something along the lines of "oops, my bad", but no, you have to first recreate your comment with the link fixed, then tell me to "get rid of [it]!". Erm, I think not, it's my comment, and it's not up to you to decide what I do with it. It's not abusive, it doesn't break the LJ TOS, therefore you have to right to tell me in my own journal what to do with it. In my journal I shall post whatever I like without inteference from others who think they know better. Of course, if they *do* know better, then that's another matter entirely.
Oh, and may I point out that even if you delete a comment LJ still leaves behind a small "Deleted comment" notice, thus not removing all trace of the comment like you would have wished to happen. I'm quite happy not to clutter up my comments list with those, when they could have quite easily been avoided by some common sense on the behalf of certain people.
You have indeed learned a useful lesson from this, but I'll give you an even more useful lesson by pointing out the FAQ
section that you can get to by selecting "Help" and then "FAQ" on the main page. I'll even be nice and turn that FAQ above into a link, so you don't even have to do that. Quickly looking through the list of faqs, I see there is one in the "Journal Entries" category entitled "How do I add a link to another journal or another web site in my entry?". This FAQ covers, amongst other things, the art of creating links. It does not take much effor to realise that each journal entry has a unique URI, and you can use that to link to a specific entry rather than messing about with anchors that only work for a limited time.
, you earned a rant from me! I'd like to point out that I did warn you about my tendency to flip into rant mode without warning in the early hours of the morning, so you brought this upon yourself. And be rest assured I can rant more if required.
Well, having got you in to "rant mode", I might as well have a little fun with it. But first, in case I forget about this as I enter a "semi rant mode" I will comment on the comment which appears after this, which was added before I could get on to writing this reply. Using my newfound trick, I will even provide a link to it
. This comment was indeed very welcome, as I forgot to mention this oversight in one of my "further up the page comments" (to be found here
...im really quite getting into this whole "linking idea"). So, thanks to Thomas (I see no need to preserve your anonymity
for you) for that one. BUT, it was ended with "My Bad". Now this is the only bit that annoyed me, and for one reason alone, it appeared in this
reply in reference to my "get rid of it!" IM. I was thinking of the general tidiness of your journal (and the space required on the LJ database servers). What is the point of me adding an extra post, when I could replace it with an identical post (bar the link). Then, this whole escapade would not exist, and some poor person would not have to sit and read all this rubbish....never the less, I will push on. The other reason I was annoyed about the "My Bad" bit was it is yet another example of netiquette, which yet again people "jump down your throat" for if you do not conform to this hardly-ever-spoken-of-set-of-virtual-rul
es. I did not know people normally do that, so I was just dealing with the "mistake" in the post to the best of my abilities with the current knowledge I had. Another thing I did not know about was the "deleted comment" note. I have never seen these before, and would therefore not have known about this particular function....another example of a miss-guided rant. Thomas said in this
comment that "I'm quite happy not to clutter up my comments list with those". I find this a little contradictory since you would rather I added an extra comment with the change of link, than just change the first comment! talk about yet more wasted space! (and before you try and be clever Thomas, I agree you pointed out that it would still leave a "deleted comment" note. I suspect, (although am writing this without any further investigation) that when you delete the root comment (in this case the post that started this all off) then, you would loose all trace of it. The only reason it remains in this instance is that there a lot of comments coming off it). It was very nice of you to point out the FAQ's section, but at time of posting the comment, I did not have a question! so therefore, at time of posting I felt no need to delve into this section. Questions, I quite often crop-up when I am not sure how to do something. In this case, with my knowledge of HTML, I knew of a way to make a link. Now as it turns out, this was by far not the best way of doing it, but, as I find is quite traditional to the human race, I performed the task using the best method known to me at the time
I just realised...i forgot to end with some witty remark
oh well, My Bad
Thursday 10th February 2005 at 5:47 pm (UTC)
To rant or not to rant... that is the question.
Thursday 10th February 2005 at 5:46 pm (UTC)
(I shall not stoop so low as to remove your anonymity, as people on livejournal quite often have good reasons for staying anonymous), might I ask what is wrong with me ending my post with "my bad"? Oh yes, it's because I suggested that as a possible reply earlier on in this thread of rants. And let me see... it was because I then had the audacity to go and use it myself when I spotted a genuine mistake I made and corrected it, because, apparently "people jump down your throat [if you don't include it]".
Strange. I've not come across that one myself - I just consider it to be a polite thing to do. I could have quite easily typed "oops" or "my mistake" or anything else. So now I am faced with a dilema: do I always put "my bad" when I make a mistake (to avoid the hordes of people that will of course jump down my throat for me not conforming to the unwritten rules of the internet), or do I avoid using that for fear that it might incite the wrath of the pleaseremove
Well here is my decision. I shall post what I like, and should in posting something I end up including "my bad", then it is my decision, and not that of pleaseremove
's. Of course, should this be in his journal, then it's all different (for one, it's him who can delete the replies). But this is my journal, and as I have said, I will not be ordered round in it (admins excluded).
Now on to the next part of the misguided rant: the deletion of comments. I myself do know what happens when a root comment is deleted (having both seen it happen elsewhere and carry it out myself (spam comments make for good target practice)), and that is a "(deleted comment)" is left behind for each and every comment that is deleted. If you read any of the high-reply journals (like news
, for example), you quickly notice this sort of thing.
Regarding the use of FAQs, you did indeed have a question - you asked me (in the IM conversation) if HTML comments are possible. You could have quite easily looked in the FAQs instead for the answer to that, but I shall also give an answer here and that is HTML is enabled in comments, but not the full HTML. The main tags that are missing are script, embed and object. So a question did indeed crop up, and you could have with a minimum of research got a better answer than I was able to give you given the question you asked me. You asked "html is on for your comments isnt it?", and I replied "you cant turn it off", implying that it is on. I may be wrong - there may be a way to turn it off, but to the best of my knowledge there is no per-user setting for that.
Thursday 10th February 2005 at 4:29 pm (UTC)
I'll make a correction that that comment of mine - after talking with pleaseremove
, it turns out he posted his copy of the rant from the eoriginal e-mail that I forwarded him, and also independently asked permission to do so. My bad.
it bothers me sometimes how stupid some people can be and how unprepared for change they are. The quote i quite like is from men in black. "people are smart, they can handle it (the truth). A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals and you know it" For those who care, this may not be word for word correct, but the idea is the same. I would also like to point out that I haven’t seen the film in a year or so, so this is a real test of my memory! For those still struggling to grasp the concept presented to you, let me approach it from another angle. If you go up to most people in America, and ask them of their thoughts towards bush, if they are a bush supported, they wont have any (thoughts.) they will tell you what a prick he is and what a cock-up he has made of the US economy and US foreign relations and how he has made a name for himself as one of the worlds most powerful idiots....(if you need any more convincing, click here
). But for some unknown reason, when it came to the US elections, around 50% of all those who voted, asked for 4 more years of him. Now if you ask me, that is the most stupid thing a group of people that large has ever done in such a short space of time.....what has this world come to!